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Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.06 15:44:00 - [1] Speed: Deimos: 170, Zaelot: 215, Cerberus: 185 Radius: Deimos: 160, Zealot: 125, Cerberus: 135 Power upgrade from T1 Thorax (820) -> Deimos (860) = +40 powergrid Omen (730) -> Zealot (1090) = +360 powergrid Caracal (530) -> Cerberus (635) = +105 powergrid Med Nos: With standard setups all above mentioned hacs can fit a Med Nos without problems. Deimos have to either fit a small Nos or waste a low slot on a RCU. pros: - most damaging of all - better tracking than Zealot - can use mwd with no cap penalty cons: - lowest speed of all - bigger radius of all - only hac that can't fit a med nos - most cap hungry of all - lowest range of all - difficult to fit rep+ions+mwd Personally I think that Deimos as it is now it's not that bad, it just need some more powergrid to be in line with other hacs.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.13 16:12:00 - [2] IMO: a little more powergrid (+50) small reduction in radius (-15) would be cool and balanced
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.15 10:35:00 - [3] Originally by: VanDam my m8 can fit a deimos with a 1600mm plate and a mwd he uses electrons and his deimos is awesome. You must be joking. With advanced weapon upgrades 4: Deimos powergrid: 1075 5x Electron Blaster II: 480 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive II: 165 1x 1600mm plate: 500 1075 - 480 -165 - 500 = -73 powergrid And you still have 8 (eight) empty slot to fill.. It's funny that you mention the Zealot because that ship can fit a full rack of Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, a MWD II and a 1600mm plate. And still has 211 powergrid left...
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.16 11:05:00 - [4] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 16/03/2006 11:05:32 Originally by: Dash Ripcock Originally by: Tuxford Coming up Blasters It means they really didn't have the time to look into it yet, but they couldn't announce all those new tweaks without mentioning blasters. Am I right ?
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.20 12:35:00 - [5] Originally by: Femlin Tilith I think we can leave the blasters to another thread. The agility/speed/inertia of the deimos or lack thereof is more than enough topic for this thread. Unfortunately, the ToWhomItMayConcern people who could address this are either: a. too lazy to comment b. too oblivious to notice this thread has been at or near the top for over weak c. flying something in game other than a deimos or d. they just don't give a frog's fat arse Or it could be that they just don't know how to fix it without it effecting other things that would in turn need fixing but I doubt it. At the moment we don't know if med blasters will be affected by the changes. Maybe the devs haven't decided what to do about blasters yet, and therefore they cannot say anything about the Deimos. One thing that I'd like to point out is that the ship has powergrid problems regardless of the type of turrets. Even a setup with 5x 200mm II railguns is complicated. With adv. weapon upgrades lvl 4, after fitting 5x 200mm II and 1x Medium Armor Repairer II you are left with 32 PG. Not even enough for an AB. And hey you still have 9 (nine) empty slots.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.27 14:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Tuxford Didn't know Deimos needed love but it should be easier to fix after blaster love.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.30 13:24:00 - [7] Some more evidence: Linkage Deimos has the worst radius, the lowest speed, the worst fitting increases from T1 cruiser both in powergrid and cpu, also it's the most cap hungry and has the lowest range.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.30 15:03:00 - [8] Originally by: Dash Ripcock Note that in those situations the Deimos is carrying an Afterburner to actually fit the Ion Blasters, and that it doesn't take into account that whilst you're on the approach they're beating the living hell out of you. I used the AB because I wanted to compare similar setups for all ships. If you want to fit Mwd then you have to drop the Ions and fit Electrons (less damage and shorter range). Or you fit AB and waste 1 ship bonus. Also note that the Deimos is the only hac that have to waste a slot on a RCU to fit standard stuff (well below standard if you want MWD). One thing I don't agree is the complain about Deimos clumsiness. All hacs have the same agility (0.65)
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.30 15:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Spartan239 munnin has to do it to, its in the same boat is teh deimos No. Deimos needs a RCU to fit its worst turrets (Electron) Muninn can fit the mid ones (220mm) without needing RCU, and still have plenty of unused powergrid.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.30 16:37:00 - [10] Originally by: The Cold Cry me a river, then give a zealot a drone bay The Zealot has 1 less turret, but 1 more lowslot for a damage mod. Overall the Zealot has about 30% less dps than the Deimos, but almost double range. But the Zealot can tank a lot better because 1) has a smaller radius 2) it doesnt have to sacrify a low slot for RCU 3) it's A LOT less cap hungry Then there is powergrid. With adv wep upgrades lvl 4: on the Deimos you fit a full rack of Ions, MWD and armor repair. You're left with 10 units of powergrid for the remaining 8 slots. on the Zealot you fit a full rack of Heavy Pulse, AB and armor repairer. You have almost 300 powergrid left.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.03.30 16:45:00 - [11] Originally by: The Cold So you want to dish out +800dps have infinite cap and tank like a mother****** while you're at it? The thread title is "make deimos easier to fit", not "make deimos uber".
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.04.20 12:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Tuxford also know about Deimos fitting and yes its a bit hard to fit. This will be fixed largely with a blaster changes which btw I have already started working on and if we had a working testserver you would see the changes. there we are
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.05.16 12:22:00 - [13] bump, bump Give more powergrid to the Deimos. Or decrease powergrid requirements of med ion blasters.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.05.31 09:45:00 - [14] You all complain too much, the Deimos is very easy to fit, you just have to train up skills. With ALL skills at lvl5 you can easily fit: 5x Ion blaster II 1x 10MN Microwarpdrive II 1x Medium Armor Repairer II 8x empty slot Or if you want to go extreme, the following setup is a bit tight but FITS, thanks to the recent blaster changes: 5x Neutron Blaster II 1x Medium Armor Repairer II 9x empty slot and you still have 2.0 powergrid to play with !!
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.05.31 12:05:00 - [15] Originally by: FFGR And without an MWD, how will you close in the enemy ? With an AB ? MWD bonus is there so your cap for a needed module doesn't kill your tank. What about changing the bonus to a Mwd/AB bonus ? Something like 5% less penalty to max cap for MWD and 5% bonus to AB speed boost.
Miklas Laces	Posted - 2006.05.31 13:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Jerick Ludhowe I'd rather they just drop the -25% from MWDs and give the thorax line of ships a 5% to mwd max velocity bonuss. Yes!!! and +5% rof to snowball launcher instead of the useless hybrid damage bonus.
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.09.08 17:40:00 - [17] I remember a Dev saying that the blaster changes would have helped the Deimos.
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.09.25 12:22:00 - [18] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 25/09/2006 12:24:49 Edited by: Miklas Laces on 25/09/2006 12:24:06 Edited by: Miklas Laces on 25/09/2006 12:23:14 In my opinion, the Deimos with maxed engineering skills should be able to fit the following: HIGH: 5x Ion II, 1x Med Nos MED: 1x Mwd LOW: 1x MAR, 1x 800mm Plate With AWU5, the above items need 710+175+150+173+200 = 1408 PG The Deimos has 1075 PG, so I would increase its grid by 350. Some may say it's too much, okay. Currently the Deimos can fit Blasters + Mwd + Repper, period. Give it at least the chance to fit a Nosferatu OR a Plate OR a Cap Booster, with a 180 powergrid boost. And while you're there, give it more base speed OR more agility OR a smaller sig radius. Bah, I probably just wasted 480 bytes.
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.09.25 15:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Frools Originally by: Miklas Laces Currently the Deimos can fit Blasters + Mwd + Repper, period. Give it at least the chance to fit a Nosferatu OR a Plate OR a Cap Booster, with a 180 powergrid boost. that is a bit too much, a zealot cant fit 4 heavy pulse + nos + 800mm + mar with an AB you should imo only be able to fit 3 of 4: mwd, nos, plate, mar so if you want to plate you have to drop nos or mar Exactly what I said, I want to be able to fit 3 of 4: mwd, nos, plate, mar. It would be ok. Btw the Zealot can fit ab, nos, plate and mar with 3x heavy pulse and 1x focused pulse.
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.10.03 12:26:00 - [20] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 03/10/2006 12:26:02 Way too many of my skill points are focused on Deimos-related skills. Haven't been flying one for months now, waiting for the promised changes that will never come. At times I happen to think "hey it couldn't be that bad, it's a hac", I open quickfit and play with it for a while, then I close it unhappy. Doing this always makes me sad for the next few minutes.
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.10.06 10:15:00 - [21] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 06/10/2006 10:16:32 Originally by: sarabando if its so bad then why does it still cost 200million? coz it's sexy (and very good at belt ratting) edit: not sure about the 200m too, last time I checked was more like 165m but I may be wrong, don't bother to check
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:06:00 - [22] Originally by: XGS Crimson electrons only loose range not damage... in some cases they do more damage. The range difference (~3km) is huge for a blaster-boat. On paper the damage increase from Electrons to Ions is ~10%, but I found that often it is more, because of the increased range. Test it yourself, fly a Deimos with 2 electrons and 2 ions, then have some real fights, then go back to station and analyze the combat logs.
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.10.10 11:15:00 - [23] Originally by: XGS Crimson i dont agree the pg is fine to me this ship isnt designed to use all those things. 5x electon II 1x med nos 1x mwd 1x webber 1x scrammer 1x med repper II 2x damage mod 3x resistance With Electrons, I should be able to fit a Plate. Your setup shows that even a sub-par fitting is possible only using the worst guns.
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.10.11 14:40:00 - [24] Edited by: Miklas Laces on 11/10/2006 14:40:38 omg it's happening Quote: # Powergrid of Sacrilege, Deimos and Muninn increased to 1100MW, 950MW and 1100MW respectively # CPU of Sacrilege and Deimos increased to 350tf for both ships Linkage
Miklas Laces A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A	Posted - 2006.10.11 14:51:00 - [25] Originally by: GO MaZ If tux doesn't implement this at downtime tomorrow I'm going to cry Kali 1

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